So as my specific question is. For the ARC you don't believe that Watchtower should be held financially liable for all those cases?
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
Finkelstein:
Actually, Watchtower has been repeatedly shown that they have no fiduciary responsibility toward members. Also they have been found not to have a duty to warn nor a duty to protect. Most of the time, you cannot be held responsible for not doing something. If I am a layman person and I am on the side of the street and someone stops breathing and I do nothing, I cannot be held liable for not jumping in and attempting to do CPR. Following the appeal in the Conti case, Watchtower was only held liable for their actual action of assigning Conti to work with Kendrick in service not for any action that they did not do.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
My question is do you think that Watchtower should be liable for the actions of a third party's illegal actions just because they are an associate of a congregation?
And I do believe that if Elders don't report due to a good faith belief that they are barred from doing so under the clergy-penitent privilege then they should not be held liable.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
My problem with many of these comments is that, you believe that Watchtower should pay no matter what if a member abuses a child. Let's go with this scenario, a man abuses 3 children, it does not come to the Elders attention that he has abused anyone until that third child was abused, the elders report the man to the police. Should Watchtower be financially responsible for the criminal act of that man against those three children or just to the last two children? How is it that a third party should be held responsible for the illegal actions of someone else. If you have a child and they are an adult and they commit a crime, are you financially responsible for your child's illegal actions? Should their victims come after you because your son is associated with you? If I am a member of the Kawana's club and I go and rob someone are the Kawana's club responsible for my actions because I am a member? Of course not, because they have no control of my actions when I am not with them and even when I am with them, they are not liable for everything that I do.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Orphan Crow:
I do accept your concern about Witnesses preaching to convicted child abusers, but even though these individuals have done horrible stuff they are still humans and have to live a life following their release. These individuals are going to be released for the most part at one point or another, if we like it or not. Prison is supposed to rehabilitate people that is why they are called correctional institutions, it is not supposed to punish people beyond getting people to become rehabilitated But you are right, unfortunately, not everyone who serves their full prison sentences are rehabilitated nor is it possible for some people to ever be rehabilitated, but they are still released from prison. It happens all the time, when correction officials inform a community that a dangerous offender is going to be released, and people go out there and protest the release, but time and time again officials say that they have no choice, the person fulfilled their sentence and has to be released. But what is my point here, it is that these people no matter what we think of them personally are still humans and still have rights that must be respected. It is still their choice if they want to become a Witness or not to associate with people that they choose, not where prohibited by law, and to live their life as normally as possible.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver
It is interesting as now there is a full Republican congresspeople and more state capitals are being dominated by Republican legislatures there is going to be a bigger push for tort reform. This would effect these cases on child abuse. A major part of these reforms that Republicans like is limiting the award amount for non- economic damages, which would be loss of enjoyment damages or punitive damages.
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AUSTRALIA - Petition to Cancel the Charity Status of Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwleaks ina petition has been launched in australia to coincide with the child abuse royal commission's adverse findings against watchtower and jehovah's witnesses.
the petition is to the australian charities and not-for-profit commission to cancel their charity status.. https://www.change.org/p/australian-charities-and-not-for-profit-commission-acnc-cancel-the-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-s-charity-status.
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Richard Oliver
I am sure it also matters if the people who sign the petition are citizens of the country and not just people from around the world.
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What is it like at Warwick Bethel?
by nevermind infrom reading about people's first and second hand experiences about working at wt world headquarters back in the 70s and 80s era, the hypocrisy and lovelessness caused many bethelites to quit even before their term ended, some even leaving to never again return to a kingdom hall.
that, coupled with open access back then at bethel to the literature of watchtower's early days can easily open the eyes of any rank and file jw to the society's occultish beginnings.
fast forward to the warwick bethel today.
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Richard Oliver
Bethelietes have a long history of living in a similar setting as Warwick that of Patterson's and wallkhill. Granted Patterson is a little better because Danbury is only a 20 mins drive. But everyone hangs out has dinners together watch games and stuff all the time. Bethel is not a prison where you have to be in bed by a certain time.